With the Mancession in fullswing – and we’re only seeing the beginning – and with the Haters of the Sweet Science occasionally coming forth to pour water on our hit parade, it’s good to ponder just how much mileage a Man can expect to get out of Game. Luckily, several very astute and clearly experienced practitioners of the Crimson Arts – Roissy, Ferdinand Bardamu and The Fifth Horseman – have chimed in on this burning question. This post will serve to bring all their insights together into one tight coherent beam of laserlike focus, garnished with my own unique take on the State of our Times, and Art, while at the same time utterly refuting and debunking the Haters, who pray for our downfall. Of course, that ain’t never, ever, gonna happen. ;)

First, let’s get the BS outta the way – the NUMBER ONE reason why Men endure years of boredom at school and work, getting into crushing debt, brownosing until he’s well-fed on a diet of the Boss Man/Lady’s fecal matter, wastes BIG money on flashy cars, and does all the other ridiculous things that polite society tells him to do, is so he can have a shot at getting a pretty gal. The. End. And ANY Man who tells you otherwise, IS LYING TO YOU. The truth is, that the vast majority of guys couldn’t care less about the stuff they do, for real – all most Men need to live is a dorm room. Recently I watched an in-depth interview with Gen. Stanley McChrystal in Afghanistan. The Man’s living quarters?-a simple dorm room, simple twin-sized bunk with the GI-issue drab green blankie draped over it, a simple closet, trunk, you get the drill. I could easily live in such quarters, and so can most of the guys reading this – EASILY. The only reason why they go in for expensive cribs is because it will impress the Hotties. Or so they hope.

All that wouldn’t be so bad if it actually WORKED, but more often than not, IT DOESN’T – and the proof? How many of us know broke dudes who get more ass than the proverbial toilet seat? Now, how many of us “have it all” and either are being taken for all they got by some Chickenhead, or worse if you can imagine it, is at home working it out with Skeletor’s Left Hand? Tell the Truth, and shame the Devil, now. To ask the question, is to answer it. Remember this, all of you:

Happiness for a Man, is being between a Woman’s thighs.

Does anyone honestly disagree with that?

With the massive edifice that is The Matrix crumbling down around us at an increasingly rapid rate, it is time for Men to get a grip on reality and consider their options with cleareyed vision and acuity. The once-proud Working Class Man is extinct; I fully expect to see an exhibit devoted to him at the Smithsonian before long. And the same cancer that eradicated him is now gunning for his White Collar brethren, at an ever-increasing clip. Many of you who work in that world know exactly what I’m talking about. The bitter truth is that you are hanging on by a thread, not knowing if this coming Friday on the job is your last. You’re being asked to work harder and longer, with less and for less, and if you even fix your mouth to act like you got a problem with that, your ass is grass. Contrary to all the flowery talk they filled your head up with in college, in truth you ain’t nothing more than a high falutin’ cog in the wheel, and as soon as it gets too expensive to keep you on, you’ll be out the door, with no towel, and no kiss. Take a look at the Dow lately? It’s well over 10K points – while unemployment has exceeded 10% – for the first time in a quarter century.

Yea. It’s like that.

So, with so much out of our direct control to a darned thing about, the one thing we CAN do something about is improve ourselves, with one clear goal in sight – to get the SEXUAL ATTRACTION of the WOMAN (or Women if you prefer), OF YOUR CHOICE. F*ck what you heard, there are fewer pleasures greater in this world for a Man, than to have the love, respect and honey-dripping lust of a Woman we really want.

It is for this reason that Game is worth MORE than college degrees, job promotions, flashy cars or cribs and all the other silly, ineffectual stuff you see most guys running around like chickens with their heads lopped off trying to do. With the right information, dedication and just a fraction of the time – what, a year, two at most, to say nothing of the cost? – a Man can and will gain in a big way in terms of his social life, which for Men, almost always means, dealing with Women.

Which brings us back to our Three Wise Men. Let’s leadoff with Roissy’s thoughts on the matter:

“The great majority of men are not genetically capable of getting grad school degrees, but they are capable of learning some rudimentary game. Concepts like negs, social proof, qualification, compliance, and body language. And in the winner-take-all seduction sweepstakes, all else being equal, an uneducated man wielding tight game will beat a game-eschewing educated man waving a diploma 99 times out of 100. Bet on it.

As game, or in weightier parlance, psychosocial dominance, sits at the pinnacle of male character traits that women find attractive, a man will get more bang for his social investment buck by learning game than he would by working hard at improving himself on more conventional metrics such as career advancement, wealth generation, educational attainment, or material acquisition. He should do all those things to the best of his ability, of course, but if he could only choose one path to pussy, I would counsel him to learn the science of seduction. A grad school degree requires an additional 6-7 years of commitment after high school plus crushing debt; career advancement requires years of kissing ass and working late; wealth generation requires a lifetime of prudent financial management; material acquisitions require hard-earned money and their effectiveness at attracting and keeping pussy is questionable.

But game, the beautiful drama, needs only six months to one year of study and practical application before a man will reap the rewards of tingly ginas. When you are running game, you are saying powerful things, you are behaving powerfully. And when you behave powerfully, you really are powerful. Game is power. And it all rests on one very simple, very true, premise:

Women are mostly the same in what they find attractive in men.

And the male trait they love the most? Dominance.”

- How Much Can Game Do? Sep 18 2009 roissy.wordpress.com

Can I get an Amen?

Next up, Ferdi’s views on the matter, after he gives a masterful prognostication on the future of the sexual marketplace:

“So knowing all of this, how can you, the humble reader, put yourself in a position of power? I have but one tip: LEARN GAME. If you are interested in having a sex life at all, you MUST have game. If you want to get married and possibly make babies, you MUST have game. If you want to do anything aside from have a five-fingered pants party, you MUST have game. Game is more important than getting a promotion at your job, your college education, or ANYTHING else in this regard.”

- The Future Of The Sexual Marketplace Sep 21 2009 fbardamu.wordpress.com

Finally, we get the words of The Fifth Horseman, who keenly analyzes exactly what Game is worth in real dollars and cents to a Man; I quote:

“Moderate competence in Game is easily worth about the same SMV as having a net worth of $2 million. This is a rough estimate. Furthermore, no one can tax your Game, swindle you out of Game, or steal your Game in divorce court (as long as you don’t let this sap your confidence as a human being).

I define moderate competence in Game as the following 5 steps :

***1) Regular, consistent, and somewhat effortless ability to do approaches to women who are 8s or higher. This is the most important point of all, as without approaches, you will not create the opportunities to practice ANY other part of Game. This is also the filter that blocks most novices from ever progressing.

2) Ability to qualify the woman, as well as identify and pass her own tests easily. Be the first to end the phonecall, always be leaving, other time constraints, etc. The ability to use the occasional well-placed neg is valuable too.

3) Ability to run comfort and rapport for the requisite 6-8 hours. Have a lot of interesting stories, games, and other things to run on her.

***4) Ability to bridge from Day 1 to Day 2, and minimize flakes. This is important as flakes are frustrating, demoralizing, and discouraging. A lot of guys are very close to the brass ring, but this derails them in their quest for Game.

5) Ability to run competent seduction Game, after you get her alone. This is where Ross Jeffries NLP can be extremely useful (but not mandatory by any means).

1) and 4) cause the biggest frustration, paralysis, and ‘giving up’, hence the asterisks. But a man who becomes pretty good at these 5 points is ahead of 98% of all men, and is on par with a Beta who has $2 million in net worth (and is ahead of such a Beta if that Beta has no game and is suckered easily by feminine manipulation).”

Preach on, Brother! Preach on.

If a Man really wants to gain a true life skill that will actually serve him all the days of his Life, Game is it – not only will it help him in the realm of getting the Woman or Women he wants, for however long he wants, but it will also assist him in other areas of his life as well. As Welmer of The Spearhead recently showed, Founding Father Benjamin Franklin’s masterful use of GAME made the difference between the USA being what it is today, and remaining subjects of the British Crown. As I said before elsewhere in the forum, a Man with Game will move ahead in his career faster than not having it, and Franklin is prima facie proof – compare him to John Adams, who succeeded him as diplomat to France. In fact, think about this – why is Ben Franklin mentioned a heck of a lot MORE than John Adams? Hmm? And Franklin wasn’t even President! Compare Obama to Bush 43. Compare Bill Clinton to damn near errbody else.

Recently I made the bold assertion, and I stand by it, that had Dr. James Watson, great Man of Science that he was and is, understood and employed just a bit of Game, in this case knowing how to size up social situations and respond accordingly, he’s still be head of the Cold Spring Harbor Labs he created. Same deal with former Harvard U president Larry Summers. Yet Steven Pinker, who’s field of study is at least as controversial, being Evolutionary Psychology, continues to teach at the best schools IN THE WORLD. Perhaps it’s BECAUSE of his chosen field of study, not in spite of it, that allows him to keep working in a field that he actually likes and wants, unlike both Watson and Summers, both of whom found themselves out of a job.

And don’t even get me started on the hit HBO drama series Mad Men. Does anyone here honestly think Don Draper doesn’t use Game on the job? Come on.

As the Mancession marches on, Today’s Man finds himself at a most curious and unique crossroads, indeed. As the old saying goes, if you keep doing what you’ve always been doing, you’ll keep getting what you’ve always got – is it enough?

Well – is it?

Now adjourn your Gameless asses…

The Obsidian

19 Comments

  1. O,

    If happiness was truly between a woman’s thighs, no libertine would ever stop.

    That’s not true.

    I agree that the lack of success with women is the cause for much unhappiness in men.

  2. Talleyrand,
    Question: what’s your score?

    The Obsidian

    • liam09
    • Posted November 11, 2009 at 10:14 am
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    Let me start out by saying that in my heart I really want to see David Alexander thrive and find the most happiness he can. David is a good person

    That being said, my understanding is that reversion to the mean means that a very high IQ black society would regress to the black mean over time.

    Let’s say that for blacks with exceptionally good nutrition the average IQ is 80 and for Koreans with that same level of nutrition the average IQ is 105

    My understanding is that if you took twenty thousand Koreans with an IQ of 85 and had them reproduce together for four generations, the great grandchildren would show an IQ of 100 (ie only slightly less than the Korean group mean)

    If you took twenty thousand blacks with an IQ of 110 and had them reproduce together for four generations, the great grandchildren would show IQ of 85 (ie only slightly greater than the black mean)

    Can anyone who understands the science a little better help me out and confirm I am right?

    What that would mean is that a society set up with all clones of David Alexander would tend towards chaos over time.

    So a society of high IQ blacks would ultimately turn in to a disaster.

    As a thought experiment, can we imagine a society made up 50% of blacks and 50% of Scandanavians, in which only the Scandanavians could vote. Let’s assume that Scandanavians have a strong sense of generosity and kindness towards the blacks. I think that all on this blog would agree that in terms of material success, the blacks living in a Scandanavian ruled society would have better nutrition, safety and be wealthier than blacks living in a black society. But would they be happier?
    I would argue that under today’s social mores the blacks living in a Scandanavian society would eventually resent the kindness and generosity of the Scandanavians and rebel.

    But is it possible to have a society in which one racial group is very good at athletic things and terrible at intellectual things and another group is really good at intellectual things and inferior in athletics – a society in which everyone is pretty happy and the society stays happy for generations?
    In other words, everyone on this blog accepts the truth of HBD, so if someone really wants to construct a society that is best for the David Alexanders of the world, how do we do so?

    • Obsidian
    • Posted November 11, 2009 at 10:25 am
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    Liam,
    WTF does any of that have to do with the subject matter at hand? Please explain? And, what’s your score?

    The Obsidian

    • PA
    • Posted November 11, 2009 at 10:26 am
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    It looks like Liam may have accidentally posted a HalfSigma comment here. There is a thread there that talks about DA and Korean adoptees.

    • Joe
    • Posted November 11, 2009 at 10:28 am
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    That being said, my understanding is that reversion to the mean means that a very high IQ black society would regress to the black mean over time.

    It’s amazing how this one horribly faulty premise leads to such an increasingly ridiculous thought process as your comment goes on. What proof do you have of this ridiculous premise of a reversion to mean?

    Did European IQs revert to IQ levels of barbarian tribes within several generations? Did Dutch heights revert to previous shorter levels within four generations? How ridiculous you are!

    • Joe
    • Posted November 11, 2009 at 10:29 am
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    Liam,
    WTF does any of that have to do with the subject matter at hand? Please explain? And, what’s your score?

    The Obsidian

    Better question, what relationship does it have to reality? I wouldn’t even bother to seriously entertain it beyond that question.

  3. O,

    Ha ha ha. You want me to qualify myself to you? I ain’t your bitch.

    You’re using shaming language: Code Purple, Lavender, Tan and possibly Pink.
    http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

    You’re better than that.

    The funny thing is O, when you’re older you’re going to agree that there is more to happiness than simply fucking chicks.

    • Mack
    • Posted November 11, 2009 at 3:11 pm
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    Just more of the Don’t Worry – Get Pussy message that is starting to dominate the Game sites at the same time America is entering a steep decline. Sure if I were running Goldman Sachs, this is the message I would be sending the plebs too. The Roissy-sphere takes something like game – the tried and true tactic of being a dominant male – and then wraps it in the dubious strategic choice of living the lifestyle of basically a ghetto pimp. This makes sense to the masters of society, it is better having your young unemployed angry males practising negs and qualifiers on low-status women in nightclubs instead of doing anything that could actually challenge the system.

    Now this selfish, low-investment approach to society is a smart strategy in slums, ghettos and favelas – or more generally, for men living in a Hobbesian States of Nature. Why should a man living in squalor give a fuck about his neighbours or try to improve himself or his family? The shithole society he lives in will just tear down any good works he tries to build. Instead he just spreads his seed as far and wide as possible. But again, no investment in the children is given. I mean why bother; it’s a 1 in 1000 chance his kids will turn out to be anything better growing up in that virtual state of war anyway. It’s a waste of time for slum pimps to change diapers, read bedtime stories, check algebra homework when there is bargain basement pussy to be chased instead.

    The problem of course is that the Roissy-sphere is mostly directed not at ghetto inhabitants but at Americans living in a Hobbesian commonwealth, where investment in society and children makes sense.

    Is it really time to stop aspiring for higher education; since after all it’s boring anyway we’re told.

    Is it really time to dump those wives and children and start hitting the singles bars four nights a week?

    Is it really time for American men to surrender to the encroaching ghetto culture and to just accept America becoming a shithole all in the name of getting more pussy?

    I say no. The skills needed to dominate women are just tactics. Be wary of attempts to wrap these useful tactics in the ghetto lifestyle of low-investment despair. Instead use these tactics to get the best woman you can and to then inspire her to be the best mother to your children that she can be.

  4. Sure, a man is going to be happier with a quality woman than he is without one. But as I mentioned on my blog (shameless plug), Mystery could seduce any woman he wanted but he was still miserable and eventually tried to kill himself. A man constructing his entire life to maximize his appeal to women has no real sense of self because he’s just being what other people want him to be.

    Man is not a stud animal and his value is not judged by how many sluts he fucks.

    • Obsidian
    • Posted November 11, 2009 at 3:50 pm
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    Talleyrand,
    I wasn’t trying to “shame” you, didn’t have that in mind when I asked what your score was. Its a very good way of knowing just how much realworld experience a Man has with Women, and in may ways, the world around him. A very big problem I notice in this corner of cyberspace is the heavy reliance on abstract concepts, theories and the like, including faulty, secondhand info (this can really be seen anytime Race as a topic comes up). I find that the bloggers/commenters tend to be long on these things, but woefully short on actual in-field experience, and your earlier comment was what prompted me to ask what your score was.

    Which is…?

    Sparks, Mack,
    I think its very important to keep things in perspective here. No one, not me, not Roissy or anyone else I mentioned, thinks that a guy should spend his every waking hour either getting laid, or trying to get laid-besides, that’s already taken care of us by Mother Nature, LOL, because guys think about these thins on their own a lot anyway. All we’re saying is look, you have to be realistic about what you can actually accomplish in this world. If you’re in a position to influence or change public policy, then by all means, go for it. In the mean, just about errbody reading this, can’t. So, that leaves us with some interesting questions to which we need some answers.

    The Obsidian

  5. O,

    Sure there’s plenty of keyboard jocking. The problem with any number posted is that anyone can lie about it.

    Nor does it speak to the quality of the girls I’ve gamed.

    Tell you what, tell me where I can find you at your favorite hang out and you can see for yourself whether I have any Game.

    So, where to?

    Do you deny there are other avenues for male happiness besides between a woman’s legs (Oral sex for example?) or that the exhiliration a person feels after some difficult feat or accomplishment is wholly and seperate from simply wanting to getting laid?

    I am not saying that success with women is not important, or that being a failure with them isn’t a source of unhappiness, I’m saying there is more to life than that.

    • The Fifth Horseman
    • Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:29 pm
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    Thanks, Obsidian.

    Actually, I want to update the definition of ‘Moderate Game’ to include the issue of paying for dates. I had overlooked how many Betas are fully expecting to shell out $200 or more on a woman long before there is any guarantee of anything from her. We tend to forget how brainwashed most Betas are.

    I’ll send an updated definition shortly.

  6. O,

    I don’t consider myself accountable for social trends, I just try to live my life the best way that I can; and there are certain values and principles a man must live by for his life to have fulfillment.

    In the right hands, game is a very useful tool to help a guy get a girl of value. But the particular tactics and mindsets of people like Roissy, even while they may help get the girl in the short term, will eventually make a man miserable. Feminists consider Roissy a misogynist, but he’s really more of a misanthrope. Almost all of his postings are filled with a malevolent sense of life, the sort of mindset can eat away at a man’s soul. The biggest victims of this kind of thinking aren’t the women, it’s the men.

    • Obsidian
    • Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:55 pm
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    Talleyrand,
    I wasn’t sayong you didn’t have any Game or that I wanted to see you in action, only suggesting that you might not have a heck of a lot of experience with them. That seems borne out by you own comments-I mean, isn’t it a given that a Man should be balanced, or strive for it? Again, go see my Roissy quote-he clearly says a Man should do all the other things he lists to the best of his ability-all he’s saying, is that if a Man only had one route to happiness, Game would be it, and I agree.

    Sparks, please see my remarks to Talleyrand above.

    The Obsidian

  7. O,

    I’m flattered that you’re spending so much time trying to figure me out.

    Think whatever you want, it doesn’t matter to me.

    • The Fifth Horseman
    • Posted November 11, 2009 at 9:13 pm
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    Updated Definition of Moderate Game :

    I define moderate competence in Game as the following 5 steps :

    ***1) Regular, consistent, and somewhat effortless ability to do approaches to women who are 8s or higher. This should be seamless, without having to ‘get into character’. Approaching 10 women a week should be effortless.

    This is the most important point of all, as without approaches, you will not create the opportunities to practice ANY other part of Game. This is also the filter that blocks most novices from ever progressing.

    2) Understand and internalize the anatomy of a seduction.

    a) Detection and passing of tests (such as not spending any money on her before sex).
    b) Internalizing the 7-hour rule as a framework of all behaviors.
    c) Internalizing the habit of early kino and kino escalation/kino fractionation.
    d) Learning how to use the occasional well-placed neg.

    3) Ability to run comfort and rapport for the requisite 6-8 hours. Have a lot of interesting stories, games, and other things to run on her. Learn how to avoid sexual escalation, however tempting, if you are not in the sex location.

    ***4) Ability to bridge from Day 1 to Day 2, and minimize flakes. This is important as flakes are frustrating, demoralizing, and discouraging. A lot of guys are very close to ecstasy, but this makes the goal seem distant, and thus derails their progress.

    5) Ability to run competent seduction Game, after you get her alone. This is where Ross Jeffries NLP can be extremely useful in elevating her from ‘mild arousal’ to ‘off the charts horniness’.

    1) and 4) cause the biggest frustration, paralysis, and ‘giving up’, hence the asterisks. But a man who becomes pretty good at these 5 points is ahead of 98% of all men, and is on par with a Beta who has $2 million in net worth (and is ahead of such a Beta if that Beta has no game and is suckered easily by feminine manipulation).

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    • Eman
    • Posted November 12, 2009 at 2:10 am
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    Great points by commenter ‘Mack’ above.

    Game is morphing in to a socially reprehensible phenomenon that is de-evolutionary and regressive.

    • The Fifth Horseman
    • Posted November 12, 2009 at 4:00 am
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    Eman,

    You don’t know what Game is, because you are not high enough in Maslow’s hierarchy to comprehend it.

    Furthermore, you have absolutely no intention of holding women accountable for their actions.

    The Pickup Artist is morally superior to the social conservative. Of course, some people use LTR Game to strengthen their marriages too.

    So the full hierarchy of morality is :

    LTR Game > PUA > Socialcon/pedestalizer


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